[REL] Pretty Baby (1978)

[Sully23]

Fame is also usually very bad, predators could take advantage of it, it's the dark side of Hollywood, they sexualized it.

[Wonderwidth]

@Sully23.Happens all the time unfortunately my friend.She was seen as a sex object there briefly, I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say.For Pretty baby and the blue lagoon.Just the two films then it stopped,but of course the Calvin Klein ad and way before it the infamous playboy shoot.Other than those,she did go on to do other roles and made amazing accomplishments in her life and acting.Alot worse things happen to girls her age than just a handful of nude scenes for a well known movie,where she was protected and cared for.let us not make this out to be more of a "horrible"thing than it actually is.

[Sully23]

Unfortunately others were victims of the 'dark world' as I mentioned here https://www.first-loves.net/forums/view ... 13#p101813, and others seemed to be very realistic Jenna Malone by her stepfather and Dakota Fanning in Houndog which was actually well acted but quite realistic and others that came close to passing like this case. .... ¿What the hell did Harvey Wenstein intend to be with Maddie Ziegler on his plane?

[goku33]

The problem with all of Brookes critics be it the general public or higher up big whigs from talk shows,or television hosts etc...is that they still try to condemn her for this movie.Make her admit she was taken advantage of,be responsible for that role and what she had to do in it.She was 11-12!!Just a kid.It was a role for her.i know what they are doing to her as an adult,but it still doesn't make it right.She is allowed to feel however she wants to feel about the movie.It can't be undone,the movie or her posing for Playboy.Maybe her mother felt she had to do whatever was necessary,for both their sakes to make it together in life.Even though she did some wrong things here and there, I'm sure she still loved Brooke.People need to move on to something else,as far as crucifying Brooke goes.It has been 46 years and counting, it's over!

Good points,

Although I’d argue many don’t condemn her for having done the film or taken that role but simply want to point out how wrong it was as a whole. I agree, no one should put blame on her. I think her mother and the director are the only people to blame. The responsibility was in their hands & they failed. You could give a Child actress Almost any role and she’d want to give her best performance and be liked by her director and audience.

Madalosencza (I never remember the spelling lol) is a fititng example of how adult directors can (ab)use young actors to perform almost anything on camera „for the arts“ – would you not agree? Then Again, even today I’m still always fascinated by how far some adult actors are willing to go „if the script demands it and makes sense for the character“.

„Blue is a warm color“ that famous French film with Lea Seydoux is a perfect example as well. Crazy that it was done in the past 10 years. It’s basically lesbian porn, the scenes between the two actresses. They regretted a lot in hindsight

[pistachio]

The problem with all of Brookes critics be it the general public or higher up big whigs from talk shows,or television hosts etc...is that they still try to condemn her for this movie.Make her admit she was taken advantage of,be responsible for that role and what she had to do in it.

...I think her mother and the director are the only people to blame. The responsibility was in their hands & they failed.

...Madalosencza (I never remember the spelling lol) is a fititng example of how adult directors can (ab)use young actors to perform almost anything on camera „for the arts“ – would you not agree?

I don't agree.

Movie's made, all is said and done. I honestly don't see what the issue is. This is begging the question, what people find offensive and why.

I don't see them as being anymore exploited than other big-name child actresses like Elle Fanning or Shirley Temple.

[goku33]

I don't see them as being anymore exploited than other big-name child actresses like Elle Fanning or Shirley Temple.

I must admit I haven’t even seen Brooke‘s films yet. So I probably should shut my mouth for now, lol. I’ve seen some screenshots and generally I don’t have any issues with nudity, grew up in Europe with nudism etc.

That American prudeness Is foreign to me. I know I wouldn’t let my kid do nude scenes at all on Screen. An adult can make their own decisions and therefore own faults, own REGRETS. When we are grown up, we often think and feel very different about everything that has happened in and during our childhood. Things that you never knew that they bothered you or that were not okay, suddenly seem wrong or make you sad or uncomfortable to think about. It can start at little things like how I think back and realize me and one friend were really mean to another kid in kindergarten. Same goes for things that happened TO me.

I often wish we could keep that resilience that we have as kids (and some even in their teens). But that’s the thing about Trauma, it hits you years later in the face.

Hope that makes any sense.

[pistachio]

I don't see them as being anymore exploited than other big-name child actresses like Elle Fanning or Shirley Temple.

I know I wouldn’t let my kid do nude scenes at all on Screen. An adult can make their own decisions and therefore own faults, own REGRETS. When we are grown up, we often think and feel very different about everything that has happened in and during our childhood. Things that you never knew that they bothered you or that were not okay, suddenly seem wrong or make you sad or uncomfortable to think about.

I said it was begging the question. I don't conflate sex with violence or anything I see as inherently wrong.

This is a social attitude; e.g. talk shows, tabloids, brainwashed daughter's questioning your past choices.

[goku33]

I said it was begging the question. I don't conflate sex with violence or anything I see as inherently wrong.

This is a social attitude; e.g. talk shows, tabloids, brainwashed daughter's questioning your past choices.

What do you find brainwashed about her daughters? My point was that at that age she didn’t have much of a „choice“.

[pistachio]

I must admit I haven’t even seen Brooke‘s films yet.

Watch Pretty Baby, if you haven't. :D

Do many child actresses have a choice? You should read Shirley Temple's autobiography Child Star. I think she had less choice in how she got punished for messing up her tap dance routine.

Child actresses should only appear in completely non-offensive films that don't challenge the audience's beliefs or attitudes in any way. Then later if they do we can harass them about it on talk-shows and demand they feel bad about it.

[Wonderwidth]

Well it was a good movie nonetheless, Pretty baby.A beautiful one truthfully.It did accurately depict a time in American culture of long ago, although a very negative one.It is awful that this kind of thing actually took place,but far worse is happening to real life girls as we talk about this movie.In all fairness,I do believe Pretty baby is alot milder movie,as to how they presented Brookes sexuality and the storyline that was being submitted.Then say little lips with Katya berger.Which was blatantly showcasing an underage girl budding sexual nature.Some scenes in it really took things too far,like the scene at the lake of the man kissing Katya's bare chest.Very near or right on her breast.Supposed to be a dream sequence.Or another controversial scene with her bathing, uncensored version shows alot and something very sexual is implied a certain act I won't mention here.Several others too.