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[REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
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Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
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Thank you Night. I have uninstalled a bunch of random bits of software to try to get on top of some recent computer problems. I haven't yet reinstalled SE yet.
About the 2.17gb file on solidtorrents. It appeared to be the same HDTV capture, however, the resolution was slightly different. It either crops (is that the right word now?) out the black bars a bit further, or it's just a smaller resolution (928x720 vs 1280x720). Honestly, I think it has something to do with the cutting of the pillars. And the size difference, besides that, may be because of the addition of a Russian VO (DAY-UM, those Russians are incredibly prolific with these! Not to mention, there must be a great number of multilingual talent).
That said, the 2.17 has a barely noticeable watermark on the upper right hand corner. And now that I've pointed it out...
[Image] - 2.17gb with additional Russian VO (also has original German audio)
[Image] - ghost's 1.88gb capture.
While the the cropping is convenient, I have to say, while the movie is playing in full screen, ghost's capture seems to be better. I'd say, it seems a little sharper, and the details show up a bit better, and doesn't get as washed out in brighter scenes. BUT that could just be my imagination! (edit: i am thinking it isn't just the imagination. look below at the screenshots with the hair-thing, and see how much smoother and more detailed ghost's is)
I attempted to see if my eyes and brain could memorize exact timings and shapes of film flecks and grains that flutter by so quickly.
Maybe that would mean the two files come from the same source??
The effort was trouble, so I made it easier on myself, and found a hair-like fleck at the very beginning and tried finding it on the other video.
gotta click them to see it:
[Image] - ghost's
[Image] - other one
Honestly, the other file stalled at 55% and I stopped downloading it. It does look like it has the possibility of completion, so I kept what I got in case anyone would like me to grab the rest for further inspection.
About the 2.17gb file on solidtorrents. It appeared to be the same HDTV capture, however, the resolution was slightly different. It either crops (is that the right word now?) out the black bars a bit further, or it's just a smaller resolution (928x720 vs 1280x720). Honestly, I think it has something to do with the cutting of the pillars. And the size difference, besides that, may be because of the addition of a Russian VO (DAY-UM, those Russians are incredibly prolific with these! Not to mention, there must be a great number of multilingual talent).
That said, the 2.17 has a barely noticeable watermark on the upper right hand corner. And now that I've pointed it out...
[Image] - 2.17gb with additional Russian VO (also has original German audio)
[Image] - ghost's 1.88gb capture.
While the the cropping is convenient, I have to say, while the movie is playing in full screen, ghost's capture seems to be better. I'd say, it seems a little sharper, and the details show up a bit better, and doesn't get as washed out in brighter scenes. BUT that could just be my imagination! (edit: i am thinking it isn't just the imagination. look below at the screenshots with the hair-thing, and see how much smoother and more detailed ghost's is)
I attempted to see if my eyes and brain could memorize exact timings and shapes of film flecks and grains that flutter by so quickly.
Maybe that would mean the two files come from the same source??The effort was trouble, so I made it easier on myself, and found a hair-like fleck at the very beginning and tried finding it on the other video.
gotta click them to see it:
[Image] - ghost's
[Image] - other one
Honestly, the other file stalled at 55% and I stopped downloading it. It does look like it has the possibility of completion, so I kept what I got in case anyone would like me to grab the rest for further inspection.
Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
I might as well just put my computer in the closet if I had to uninstall SubtitleEdit! That program aside, I hope you get your problems straightened out.
You went into far more observation of fine detail than I was able to do. I did note that they were different recodes of the same HDTV source. Of course many people can record their TV, so the original captures might have been different. However, they have the exact same timing to the millisecond, so I say they are working from the same capture. Recoding can vary and we know that ghost generally does very well.
Ghost's version blurs out the watermark but does not crop off the black bars. (There, I said it, mimzy was right.) The Russian torrent version crops off the black bars and leaves a small sliver of the watermark. Ghost's German track is AAC, the Russian version German track is AC-3. I have no idea which if either is the original encode.
I looked very closely at how much of the image remains after cropping (there, again) off the black bars, and they look the same to me. I flipped back and forth between matching screenshots, darnit! So the Russian version crops the HDTV broadcast but not the movie image itself. But both versions are recodes. Maybe we have to go to Usenet to find the original untouched capture, if we really wanted to do over what ghost and the Russians already did for us. I know from experience that when I do that sort of recode, I blur out the watermark AND crop off the black bars.
But honestly, I would be quite happy with either version and don't feel the need for any changes on my part. I will accept your determination of slightly better detail on ghost's, plus I don't have to switch over to the German audio when playing that one.
Strangely, the movie image itself appears as 1.289 Aspect Ratio. Unless DEFA sometimes put the soundtrack running along the side of the film and narrowed the 1.33 image that way (like in the early sound era), that suggests to me that the movie image was cropped sometime before the HDTV broadcast for some unknown reason. OR ... I just thought of this ... the rights holders provided the full 1.33 image matted with black bars in a 1.85 frame, and then the HDTV broadcaster stretched it vertically to make it the 1.78 broadcast standard. This would make it slightly narrower. Maybe an image stretch is easier for a broadcaster than cropping off (again) a sliver of the black sides. I dunno!
Specifications for the FLM /ghost / pillowbaker / eMule version:
Specifications for the solidtorrent Russian version:
I came to FLM just now specifically because my torrent completed last night and I wanted to see if you posted further information!pillowbaker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:58 am About the 2.17gb file on solidtorrents. It appeared to be the same HDTV capture, however, the resolution was slightly different. It either crops (is that the right word now?) out the black bars a bit further, or it's just a smaller resolution (928x720 vs 1280x720).
You went into far more observation of fine detail than I was able to do. I did note that they were different recodes of the same HDTV source. Of course many people can record their TV, so the original captures might have been different. However, they have the exact same timing to the millisecond, so I say they are working from the same capture. Recoding can vary and we know that ghost generally does very well.
Ghost's version blurs out the watermark but does not crop off the black bars. (There, I said it, mimzy was right.) The Russian torrent version crops off the black bars and leaves a small sliver of the watermark. Ghost's German track is AAC, the Russian version German track is AC-3. I have no idea which if either is the original encode.
I looked very closely at how much of the image remains after cropping (there, again) off the black bars, and they look the same to me. I flipped back and forth between matching screenshots, darnit! So the Russian version crops the HDTV broadcast but not the movie image itself. But both versions are recodes. Maybe we have to go to Usenet to find the original untouched capture, if we really wanted to do over what ghost and the Russians already did for us. I know from experience that when I do that sort of recode, I blur out the watermark AND crop off the black bars.
But honestly, I would be quite happy with either version and don't feel the need for any changes on my part. I will accept your determination of slightly better detail on ghost's, plus I don't have to switch over to the German audio when playing that one.Strangely, the movie image itself appears as 1.289 Aspect Ratio. Unless DEFA sometimes put the soundtrack running along the side of the film and narrowed the 1.33 image that way (like in the early sound era), that suggests to me that the movie image was cropped sometime before the HDTV broadcast for some unknown reason. OR ... I just thought of this ... the rights holders provided the full 1.33 image matted with black bars in a 1.85 frame, and then the HDTV broadcaster stretched it vertically to make it the 1.78 broadcast standard. This would make it slightly narrower. Maybe an image stretch is easier for a broadcaster than cropping off (again) a sliver of the black sides. I dunno!
Specifications for the FLM /ghost / pillowbaker / eMule version:
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Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
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Was going to have a go at Logo Removal + crop + TopazDeHalo / noise + conversion from 50 to 25fps.
Might as well remove the bloody logo when 75% of it is in the black area.
And then i'll multiplex in the subtitle file too just for good measure. Wish me luck!
Might as well remove the bloody logo when 75% of it is in the black area.
And then i'll multiplex in the subtitle file too just for good measure. Wish me luck!
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Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
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This cleaned up really well. And good to have it at 25fps so it can be played on hardware playback devices, bluray, dvd players, new TVs - and with the embedded subtitles.
After Topaz I did a 66% blend of the TopazDeHalo with a 34% blend of the original video (to keep the grain and some of it's sharpness) using Shotcut.
Then the final encode in Handbrake with a bit of extra sharpening to undo the Topaz DeHalo softening.
Note - the subtitles are in the mkv as an option - not burned into the video.
Hope you agree - it turned out well...
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After Topaz I did a 66% blend of the TopazDeHalo with a 34% blend of the original video (to keep the grain and some of it's sharpness) using Shotcut.
Then the final encode in Handbrake with a bit of extra sharpening to undo the Topaz DeHalo softening.
Note - the subtitles are in the mkv as an option - not burned into the video.
Hope you agree - it turned out well...
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Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
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Topaz can be notorious for removing skin texture and making people look too plastic - but blending the original with the Topaz in Shotcut means the skin tones were retained, note also the detail in the shirt fabric...
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1.48gb, 720p, 25fps, Topaz DeHalo and some colour fix and sharpening, original audio + Eng SRT, spread over 3 files:
https://mega.nz/file/tVJAgJpQ#czYRBCO8G ... aM1J9hJ8rI
https://mega.nz/file/cQgRRTjK#i2CbMG8LH ... Ne8-QKkR4Q
https://mega.nz/file/AIR1FYzJ#jqjLtBpkI ... IGB8NnVGd8
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1.48gb, 720p, 25fps, Topaz DeHalo and some colour fix and sharpening, original audio + Eng SRT, spread over 3 files:
https://mega.nz/file/tVJAgJpQ#czYRBCO8G ... aM1J9hJ8rI
https://mega.nz/file/cQgRRTjK#i2CbMG8LH ... Ne8-QKkR4Q
https://mega.nz/file/AIR1FYzJ#jqjLtBpkI ... IGB8NnVGd8
Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
What did you do to the framerate? It's jerky as hell. 
Sorry for the critics, but that's what my eyes saw in the first moment.
Why didn't you use my TV recording? It's already in 25fps.
Sorry for the critics, but that's what my eyes saw in the first moment.Why didn't you use my TV recording? It's already in 25fps.
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Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
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Not seeing any jerkiness from my end! What scenes are are you seeing it in?
I used VirtualDub's "process every other frame" (decimate by 2) as literally all frames were duplicated in the 50fps version.
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It stucks every 25th frame for a short moment. Can't you see it?
What is really unusual when you change from 50 to 25 fps.
I guess the 50 fps source file already was damaged.
What is really unusual when you change from 50 to 25 fps.
I guess the 50 fps source file already was damaged.
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Re: [REL] Feriengewitter DEFA (1989)
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I didn't know your version was 25fps and only had the 50fps version before I started.
Still, what scene are you seeing it on so I can try and see it - it's got to be a bit where people/things are moving right - as I still can't see anything. I played a bit from the fairground and not seeing anything at all! You sure it's not your laptop and the frame rate problem with your monitor. One of my screens is not 100p+ so it has tearing when playing certain video speeds.